[CBFF] Intro

[P. Quinn]

  Jerry Madsen wrote: "and I'm sure somebody like Pat feels the same"
  _______________________________________________________
  And even if there is not somebody like Pat out there, Pat does feel this 
way.......

  My thoughts on Briggs and Jones are that they will be in camp. They both 
have a lot to lose. The Bears are prepared to move on without them, no 
matter how their past production was. Back-ups or not, I'd like to see them 
there as well.

  Pat

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Jerry Madsen" <jerrywm at gmail.com>
  To: <post at chicagobearsfanforum.com>
  Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [CBFF] Intro


  |I have no doubt Kevin will get some kind of perverse shot to the ego when 
he
  | hears that he's the topic of discussion over here... and I'm sure it 
will
  | get back to him if it has not already.
  |
  | And while I don't disagree with a word that Jim, Tom and Steve said (you
  | three have, in fact, articulated what I could not), I also agree with 
Matt;
  | I don't see much reason to keep discussing.  It's unlikely my opinion of 
him
  | will ever change and I'm sure somebody like Pat feels the same.  So, we
  | agree to disagree and then look ahead to things like training camp,
  | hold-outs* and the start of the season.
  |
  | I've been told the opposite of love is not hate; it's indifference. 
Perhaps
  | that's why I now find the topic of Kevin tiresome.
  |
  | Jerry
  |
  | *Side note: I find it ironic that the year the Bears are the first team 
to
  | sign all of their draft picks before camp, they are faced with hold-outs 
by
  | returning starters like Briggs and Thomas.  Go figure.
  |
  |
  |
  | On 7/16/06, Stephen Lake <sdlake at gmail.com> wrote:
  | >
  | > On 16.07.06 7:55 AM, "Tom Shannon" <tshanno at gmail.com> wrote:
  | >
  | > >>>   Hello, catching up on email and saw my name, so I thought I'd 
say
  | > >>> Hi!  Jim
  | > >>> is right about the real Kevin.....he a good guy who uses the 
"puter"
  | > to
  | > >>> vent.
  | > >
  | > > Translation:  He hides behind a keyboard and says things he would 
never
  | > say
  | > > to your face.
  | > >
  | > > I have no respect for that, Pat.  And I'm surprised that you would.
  | > >
  | > > Tom S.
  | >
  | > I'm not sure Pat's is a good enough explanation for Kevin's behavior
  | > because
  | > Tom's reply is the only rational one.  Kevin is just not one to hide. 
Or
  | > make excuses for himself.  But that's an excuse, Pat.
  | >
  | > As one who has been in Kevin's home, I found him friendly and 
hospitable
  | > but
  | > also possessing what I could only categorize as 'New Yorker' 
manners--a
  | > biting tongue that takes pleasure in verbal sparring, often with a
  | > personal
  | > edge.  He and the late Steve Leiter were going at each other 
throughout
  | > the
  | > whole game.  And none of it was meant in a spirit of meanness or 
hatred
  | > because you could see the look on a face, hear the tone of a voice or 
just
  | > dismiss the edge because it never really lingered in the air.
  | >
  | > The atmospherics of Kevin's cherished mode of communication do not
  | > translate
  | > well to written form.  Or at least, he is not a good translator of 
them.
  | > Sarcasm and irony must be crafted differently with a keyboard than 
with
  | > the
  | > tongue.  I think a good deal of Kevin's failures can be chalked up to 
him
  | > typing out verbatim what he would normally deliver with the tongue. 
The
  | > tone, the wink, the facial expression are all left behind.
  | >
  | > But aside from not being a gifted wordsmith, there still remains his
  | > stubborn refusal (a) to realize his behavior only offends people on 
the
  | > list
  | > and (b) to apologize, make amends for offenses--and turn from his
  | > behavior.
  | > He is in deep denial of this remaining bit of responsibility.  For one 
who
  | > has been in the eye of this storm for so long, he really appears now 
to
  | > cherish running off people who don't accept his style.  (And has been
  | > enabled in that by some others on the list.)
  | >
  | > Sad, because he is otherwise a fun person to be around.
  | >
  | > Steve
  | >
  | > --
  | > http://drlake.blogspot.com
  | >
  | >
  | >
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