[CBFF] Tank Johnson gets 8 games

[Ross McCoy]

Jim Ferolie (ferolie at charter.net) writes:
> First of all, I didn't take the other side of the coin on San Diego at all. 
> They are scary as hell. I just was making the point -- which got completely 
> lost -- that winning the game would not require holding LT to a 
> below-average game. Lots of running backs did well against the Bears 
> midseason last year and still lost.

The cases where other running backs did well against us were usually once we
had a solid lead and we were playing to prevent the big play. In any case,
if LT has a good game 150 yards/2-3 TDs we will most likely lose. I guess
we will have to agree to disagree on this point until after the SD game.

> 
> Secondly, Williams did play a little bit in three games last year, but more 
> importantly, how can you say a year in the NFL does not mature you?

I didn't say he didn't mature at all in a year, but he is a VERY long way
from having a veteran kind of maturity. I also believe that game time is 
essential to seasoning a player. Practice helps, but it is not the same
as full speed action. 

> 
> The most important thing about this one-gap scheme is learning to just go, 
> go, go and trust your teammates, be in the right place and know the other 
> guys will be in the right place to back you up. That can't take more than a 
> year to get used to, and practice will teach you just as well as a regular 
> game. Whether Okwo picks that up right away is much more questionable.
> 
> Like everyone else here, I haven't seen enough of Williams to know how quick 
> he is, but he seemed a little stiff from the plays I saw, maybe fast but he 
> didn't seem quick. I could have been mistaken.
> 

You have to have the instincts and understanding of your assignments (i.e.
maturity) to react quickly and go in the right direction. His 40 time is fine,
but what you probably witnessed is that fact that he hasn't fully absorbed
his role in the scheme making him appear slow.

Ross

> I don't think a guy who had to sit all year and now is elevated to a 
> possible starter's role is not going to realize what is valued in this 
> system unless he's just not very smart.
> 
> Then again, he DID go to ASU...
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ross McCoy" <ross.mccoy at amd.com>
> 
> 
> > I'm just debating the points put forward. Final point on SD is they are a
> > very good team elevated by a rare player in LT. SF was an apples and 
> > oranges
> > comparison as the teams don't resemble each other.
> >
> > As far as Williams being mature enough to take the spot, I don't know 
> > where
> > that maturity is supposed to come from. He has yet to see the field in the
> > regular season. In terms of speed I am pretty sure he is as fast or faster
> > than Briggs. The difference between Briggs and his replacement is that 
> > Briggs
> > rarely makes mistakes within the scheme and is solid tackler. Young 
> > athletic
> > players frequently try to become superstars by trying to overplay their
> > positions which ultimately leave holes in the defense. Long term I agree
> > Lance can be replaced, but short term most players end up learning their
> > lessons about knowing and sticking to their assignments the hard way. That
> > growing process is going to hurt the D in the short run.
> >
> > Somehow, I find it ironic that I started disagreeing that the teams listed
> > were high power offenses and then the one that I basically agreed on you
> > changed course and took the other side of the coin...
> >
> > Ross
> >
> >
> > Jim Ferolie (ferolie at charter.net) writes:
> >> OK, you can stop hyperventilating now. I was just talking about one 
> >> player.
> >> The previous post made San Diego all about LT, and I'm saying he could 
> >> score
> >> three touchdowns by himself and be basically unstoppable and that 
> >> wouldn't
> >> promise a win. RE: Gore.
> >>
> >> Especially after watching this analysis on tape last night, I think the
> >> Bears can survive without Briggs just fine. They need someone who can 
> >> follow
> >> directions and move as one with the rest of the team, someone who can 
> >> move
> >> quickly and can make the tackle when it's there. Those are not rare 
> >> traits
> >> in a linebacker; they just don't come cheap. Williams ought to be plenty
> >> mature by now. The question for me is whether he's quick enough. And 
> >> whether
> >> Okwo can be inserted into a few schemes.
> >>
> >> But sans Briggs, sans Tank, yes, that puts a ton of pressure on the 
> >> offense.
> >> And that's why I said in the first place "those are some high-powered
> >> teams."
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Ross McCoy" <ross.mccoy at amd.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> >I hope you don't think the SD offense at all resembles the SF offense 
> >> >nor
> >> >that
> >> > Frank Gore has even near the talent of LT. Also keep in mind that SD
> >> > defense is
> >> > pretty much on par with our defense although if everyone is healthy 
> >> > (and
> >> > not
> >> > holding out) I would probably give a very slight edge to the Bears on 
> >> > D.
> >> > With
> >> > Tank out, they have a slight edge on D. With Briggs out we would 
> >> > probably
> >> > be
> >> > screwed unless we get really lucky with Williams being more mature and
> >> > better
> >> > than I have any reason to give him credit for.. I'm not saying it is
> >> > impossible to beat SD, but I am saying the odds based on what we know
> >> > today
> >> > are against us. I would give us around a 25% shot of beating them sans
> >> > Tank
> >> > and with Briggs. Probably closer to 10% if Briggs really holds out, but 
> >> > I
> >> > would
> >> > be pretty shocked if that happened in spite of his rants...
> >> >
> >> > Ross
> >> >
> >> > Jim Ferolie (ferolie at charter.net) writes:
> >> >> Remember, Frank Gore gashed us and we still beat the crap out of the
> >> >> Niners.
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >> From: "Victor Waldron" <victor19 at gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Chargers hopefully have swelled heads from last year... We will 
> >> >> >> only
> >> >> >> win
> >> >> >> this
> >> >> >>   game if at least one of the following happen:
> >> >> >>   1) LT gets injured
> >> >> >>   2) our offense and offensive decision making take a huge leap
> >> >> >> forward
> >> >> >>   3) They get very complacent (I don't think this will happen with 
> >> >> >> LT
> >> >> >> healthy
> >> >> >>      and Rivera will make sure the D isn't complacent for this 
> >> >> >> game)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This is a very pessimistic outlook, Ross. I don't think LT has to 
> >> >> > get
> >> >> > injured. Maybe LT has never faced as good a LB corp as we have plus
> >> >> > we'll have Mike Brown in the lineup, so maybe we keep him bottled up
> >> >> > all afternoon. It could happen.
> >> >>
> >> >>
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