[CBFF] ESPNi - Kevin Payne
Victor Waldron (CBFF)
victor at chicagobearsfanforum.com
Wed May 2 12:53:45 MDT 2007
Listen, I *believe* a poor selection of words is what happened here, but
let me be clear, be careful of what you say and how you say it.
I know how this all started, with a discussion of how the NFL evaluates
players, and to be quite honest we've hit on a very touchy subject. It
happens. But one of the major rules of this group is to be respectful,
and even though I don't believe it was intentional, the line was crossed.
If anyone has anything else to bring up regarding this matter please
email me offlist.
Vic
Kenny Claxton wrote:
> It isn't and I am pretty offended.
>
> On 5/2/07, Steve Behrens <steve.behrens at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> WTF, indeed... 'boy'... 'plantation'.... I've known you guys for a long
>> time
>> on this list, and I have a hard time believing that this is anything but
>> an
>> unfortunate selection of words... if if you really are ignorant to how
>> this
>> is sounding, let me be the first to clue you it... it aint sounding real
>> nice... or Innocent.
>>
>> Get a F*cking clue, guys....
>> -Behr
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/2/07, Kenny Claxton <kenny.claxton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "He just sounds like he lives on a plantation" = wtf?
>>>
>>> On 5/1/07, Jim Ferolie <ferolie at charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, I meant actually weighing the brain tissue. I was kidding. Hester
>>>>
>> is
>>
>>>> not
>>>> the sharpest tool in the shed, but I think a lot of it really is his
>>>> upbringing. He just sounds like he lives on a plantation. Give him a
>>>> couple
>>>> of years and see if he gets more articulate. That will be the test.
>>>>
>>>> The reason it concerned me was that it was in concert with the fact
>>>>
>> that
>>
>>>> it
>>>> basically said he's not a very good athlete. At safety you think,
>>>>
>> well,
>>
>>>> maybe he's not a great athlete, but at least he's the smart guy who
>>>>
>> will
>>
>>>> line them up the way Mike Brown does...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "mactbone" <mactbone0 at yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well, I've never met Devin Hester, but from all accounts he's dumb
>>>>>
>> as
>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>>> rock. People get reputations. Coaches talk. I don't know why that
>>>>> particular part would bother you more than any other description of
>>>>> talents and lack thereof.
>>>>> -Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: "azbearfan34 at cox.net" <azbearfan34 at cox.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on what? The wonderlic . .or is that just one writer's expert
>>>>> opininion? Do they interview teamates, former coaches before they
>>>>>
>>>> publish
>>>>
>>>>> that drivel??
>>>>>
>>>>> Nat
>>>>> ---- Jim Ferolie <ferolie at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I imagine they weigh each player's gray matter. Why not? They
>>>>>>
>> measure
>>
>>>>>> everything else...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Nat Mara" <azbearfan34 at cox.net>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lacks ideal mental capacity??? What the /???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: cbff-bounces at chicagobearsfanforum.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kevin Payne
>>>>>>> S | (6'0", 220, 4.6) | LOUISIANA MONROE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scouts Grade: 53
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Flags: (S: SPEED) Player lacks ideal speed at position Selected
>>>>>>>
>>> by:
>>>
>>>>>>> Chicago Bears
>>>>>>> Round: 5
>>>>>>> Pick (Overall): 30(167)
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Strengths: A versatile prospect with experience at running back,
>>>>>>>
>>> wide
>>>
>>>>>>> receiver, free and strong safety, as well as punter and return
>>>>>>> specialist
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> special teams. Possesses adequate height and good bulk.
>>>>>>> He is a fluid athlete for his size. Fills hard versus the run and
>>>>>>>
>>>> will
>>>>
>>>>>>> throw
>>>>>>> his body around. He is tough and aggressive. Shows good initial
>>>>>>>
>>> power
>>>
>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>> hitter. Pursuit angles and recognition skills continue to
>>>>>>>
>> improve.
>>
>>> He
>>>
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> great work ethic and is the type that will do everything he can
>>>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>>>>> contribute in different areas to earn his roster spot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Weaknesses: Lacks ideal speed. Was able to overcome it at
>>>>>>>
>>> lower-level
>>>
>>>>>>> DI
>>>>>>> college but lack of acceleration will be a much bigger factor in
>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>> NFL.
>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>> lacks ideal experience at safety and still has much room to
>>>>>>>
>> improve
>>
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>>>> terms
>>>>>>> of footwork and recognition skills. He also needs to do a better
>>>>>>>
>>> job
>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>>>> breaking down and wrapping up as a tackler in space. Lacks ideal
>>>>>>>
>>>> mental
>>>>
>>>>>>> capacity and there are some concerns regarding his potential to
>>>>>>>
>>>> handle
>>>>
>>>>>>> complex schemes and get his teammates lined up as a safety in the
>>>>>>>
>>>> NFL.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Overall: Payne was redshirted in 2002. He then started all 12
>>>>>>>
>> games
>>
>>>> as
>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> redshirt freshman in 2003 at running back, carried 248 times for
>>>>>>>
>>> 976
>>>
>>>>>>> yards
>>>>>>> (3.9 average) and six touchdowns, caught 41 passes for 488 yards
>>>>>>> (11.9 average) and three more scores, completed a 35-yard
>>>>>>>
>> touchdown
>>
>>>>>>> pass,
>>>>>>> was selected to the All-Sun Belt second team, and was named the
>>>>>>> conference's
>>>>>>> Freshman of the Year. In 2004, he played in eight of 11 games
>>>>>>>
>> with
>>
>>>>>>> seven
>>>>>>> starts before breaking his arm against North Texas which ended
>>>>>>>
>> his
>>
>>>>>>> season.
>>>>>>> For the year, Payne carried 74 times for 261 yards (3.5 yards)
>>>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>> two
>>>>
>>>>>>> touchdowns, and caught 12 passes for 103 yards (8.6 average) and
>>>>>>>
>>> one
>>>
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> touchdown. He moved to safety during spring practice in 2005 and
>>>>>>>
>>> then
>>>
>>>>>>> started all 11 contests in the fall, earning second team All-Sun
>>>>>>>
>>> Belt
>>>
>>>>>>> honors, and recorded 87 total tackles, four tackles for loss, two
>>>>>>> interceptions, one fumble recovery, and one forced fumble. In
>>>>>>>
>> 2006,
>>
>>>>>>> Payne
>>>>>>> amassed 98 total tackles, three tackles for loss, one sack, four
>>>>>>> interceptions, three pass breakups, and one forced fumble. During
>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>> 2005
>>>>>>> and 2006 seasons, he also returned 24 kickoffs for 605 yards (
>>>>>>>
>> 25.2
>>
>>>>>>> average)
>>>>>>> and three punts for nine yards.
>>>>>>> Payne is a versatile athlete with good size and toughness at the
>>>>>>>
>>>> safety
>>>>
>>>>>>> position. While he made strides as a senior, Payne still is a raw
>>>>>>> safety
>>>>>>> that must improve his tackling consistency and recognition skills
>>>>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>>>>> coverage. He also lacks ideal top-end speed, which limits his
>>>>>>>
>>> range.
>>>
>>>> In
>>>>
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> opinion, Payne is an intriguing developmental project worthy of
>>>>>>> consideration in the fourth-to-fifth round range.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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