[CBFF] ESPNi - Kevin Payne

[Nat Mara]

I gotta admit I did not pick up on this originally, but seeing it pointed
out now makes me agree with Behr & Kenny's take on this thread.

Nat 

-----Original Message-----
From: cbff-bounces at chicagobearsfanforum.com
[mailto:cbff-bounces at chicagobearsfanforum.com] On Behalf Of Kenny Claxton
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:23 AM
To: post at chicagobearsfanforum.com
Subject: Re: [CBFF] ESPNi - Kevin Payne

It isn't and I am pretty offended.

On 5/2/07, Steve Behrens <steve.behrens at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> WTF, indeed... 'boy'... 'plantation'.... I've known you guys for a 
> long time on this list, and I have a hard time believing that this is 
> anything but an unfortunate selection of words... if if you really are 
> ignorant to how this is sounding, let me be the first to clue you 
> it... it aint sounding real nice... or Innocent.
>
> Get a F*cking clue, guys....
> -Behr
>
>
>
> On 5/2/07, Kenny Claxton <kenny.claxton at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > "He just sounds like he lives on a plantation" = wtf?
> >
> > On 5/1/07, Jim Ferolie <ferolie at charter.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > No, I meant actually weighing the brain tissue. I was kidding. 
> > > Hester
> is
> > > not
> > > the sharpest tool in the shed, but I think a lot of it really is 
> > > his upbringing. He just sounds like he lives on a plantation. Give 
> > > him a couple of years and see if he gets more articulate. That 
> > > will be the test.
> > >
> > > The reason it concerned me was that it was in concert with the 
> > > fact
> that
> > > it
> > > basically said he's not a very good athlete. At safety you think,
> well,
> > > maybe he's not a great athlete, but at least he's the smart guy 
> > > who
> will
> > > line them up the way Mike Brown does...
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "mactbone" <mactbone0 at yahoo.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well, I've never met Devin Hester, but from all accounts he's 
> > > > dumb
> as
> > a
> > > > rock. People get reputations. Coaches talk. I don't know why 
> > > > that particular part would bother you more than any other 
> > > > description of talents and lack thereof.
> > > > -Chris
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > From: "azbearfan34 at cox.net" <azbearfan34 at cox.net>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Based on what?  The wonderlic . .or is that just one writer's 
> > > > expert opininion?  Do they interview teamates, former coaches 
> > > > before they
> > > publish
> > > > that drivel??
> > > >
> > > > Nat
> > > > ---- Jim Ferolie <ferolie at charter.net> wrote:
> > > >> I imagine they weigh each player's gray matter. Why not? They
> measure
> > > >> everything else...
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Nat Mara" <azbearfan34 at cox.net>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > Lacks ideal mental capacity???  What the /???
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > From: cbff-bounces at chicagobearsfanforum.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Kevin Payne
> > > >> > S | (6'0", 220, 4.6) | LOUISIANA MONROE
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Scouts Grade: 53
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Flags: (S: SPEED) Player lacks ideal speed at position   Selected
> > by:
> > > >> > Chicago Bears
> > > >> > Round: 5
> > > >> > Pick (Overall): 30(167)
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> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Strengths: A versatile prospect with experience at running 
> > > >> > back,
> > wide
> > > >> > receiver, free and strong safety, as well as punter and 
> > > >> > return specialist on special teams. Possesses adequate height 
> > > >> > and good bulk.
> > > >> > He is a fluid athlete for his size. Fills hard versus the run 
> > > >> > and
> > > will
> > > >> > throw
> > > >> > his body around. He is tough and aggressive. Shows good 
> > > >> > initial
> > power
> > > >> > as a
> > > >> > hitter. Pursuit angles and recognition skills continue to
> improve.
> > He
> > > >> > has
> > > >> > a
> > > >> > great work ethic and is the type that will do everything he 
> > > >> > can
> to
> > > >> > contribute in different areas to earn his roster spot.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Weaknesses: Lacks ideal speed. Was able to overcome it at
> > lower-level
> > > >> > DI
> > > >> > college but lack of acceleration will be a much bigger factor 
> > > >> > in
> > the
> > > >> > NFL.
> > > >> > He
> > > >> > lacks ideal experience at safety and still has much room to
> improve
> > > in
> > > >> > terms
> > > >> > of footwork and recognition skills. He also needs to do a 
> > > >> > better
> > job
> > > of
> > > >> > breaking down and wrapping up as a tackler in space. Lacks 
> > > >> > ideal
> > > mental
> > > >> > capacity and there are some concerns regarding his potential 
> > > >> > to
> > > handle
> > > >> > complex schemes and get his teammates lined up as a safety in 
> > > >> > the
> > > NFL.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Overall: Payne was redshirted in 2002. He then started all 12
> games
> > > as
> > > >> > a
> > > >> > redshirt freshman in 2003 at running back, carried 248 times 
> > > >> > for
> > 976
> > > >> > yards
> > > >> > (3.9 average) and six touchdowns, caught 41 passes for 488 
> > > >> > yards
> > > >> > (11.9 average) and three more scores, completed a 35-yard
> touchdown
> > > >> > pass,
> > > >> > was selected to the All-Sun Belt second team, and was named 
> > > >> > the conference's Freshman of the Year. In 2004, he played in 
> > > >> > eight of 11 games
> with
> > > >> > seven
> > > >> > starts before breaking his arm against North Texas which 
> > > >> > ended
> his
> > > >> > season.
> > > >> > For the year, Payne carried 74 times for 261 yards (3.5 
> > > >> > yards)
> and
> > > two
> > > >> > touchdowns, and caught 12 passes for 103 yards (8.6 average) 
> > > >> > and
> > one
> > > >> > more
> > > >> > touchdown. He moved to safety during spring practice in 2005 
> > > >> > and
> > then
> > > >> > started all 11 contests in the fall, earning second team 
> > > >> > All-Sun
> > Belt
> > > >> > honors, and recorded 87 total tackles, four tackles for loss, 
> > > >> > two interceptions, one fumble recovery, and one forced 
> > > >> > fumble. In
> 2006,
> > > >> > Payne
> > > >> > amassed 98 total tackles, three tackles for loss, one sack, 
> > > >> > four interceptions, three pass breakups, and one forced 
> > > >> > fumble. During
> > the
> > > >> > 2005
> > > >> > and 2006 seasons, he also returned 24 kickoffs for 605 yards 
> > > >> > (
> 25.2
> > > >> > average)
> > > >> > and three punts for nine yards.
> > > >> > Payne is a versatile athlete with good size and toughness at 
> > > >> > the
> > > safety
> > > >> > position. While he made strides as a senior, Payne still is a 
> > > >> > raw safety that must improve his tackling consistency and 
> > > >> > recognition skills
> > in
> > > >> > coverage. He also lacks ideal top-end speed, which limits his
> > range.
> > > In
> > > >> > our
> > > >> > opinion, Payne is an intriguing developmental project worthy 
> > > >> > of consideration in the fourth-to-fifth round range.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
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> > > >> >
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