[CBFF] Sorry

[Jim Ferolie]

Yes, it was a bad choice of words.

My meaning was that when he talks he sounds like a rural hick in the 
Southern style, like he didn't grow up with a lot of interaction with anyone 
who wasn't also a rural hick. It's not a racial thing whatsoever, and I'm 
really embarrassed that it came off that way. I was actually trying to 
defend him in some way, as he's been accused of being stupid.

Mea culpa. I was writing too quickly.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nat Mara" <azbearfan34 at cox.net>


>I gotta admit I did not pick up on this originally, but seeing it pointed
> out now makes me agree with Behr & Kenny's take on this thread.
>
> Nat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cbff-bounces at chicagobearsfanforum.com
> [mailto:cbff-bounces at chicagobearsfanforum.com] On Behalf Of Kenny Claxton
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:23 AM
> To: post at chicagobearsfanforum.com
> Subject: Re: [CBFF] ESPNi - Kevin Payne
>
> It isn't and I am pretty offended.
>
> On 5/2/07, Steve Behrens <steve.behrens at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> WTF, indeed... 'boy'... 'plantation'.... I've known you guys for a
>> long time on this list, and I have a hard time believing that this is
>> anything but an unfortunate selection of words... if if you really are
>> ignorant to how this is sounding, let me be the first to clue you
>> it... it aint sounding real nice... or Innocent.
>>
>> Get a F*cking clue, guys....
>> -Behr
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/2/07, Kenny Claxton <kenny.claxton at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > "He just sounds like he lives on a plantation" = wtf?
>> >
>> > On 5/1/07, Jim Ferolie <ferolie at charter.net> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > No, I meant actually weighing the brain tissue. I was kidding.
>> > > Hester
>> is
>> > > not
>> > > the sharpest tool in the shed, but I think a lot of it really is
>> > > his upbringing. He just sounds like he lives on a plantation. Give
>> > > him a couple of years and see if he gets more articulate. That
>> > > will be the test.
>> > >
>> > > The reason it concerned me was that it was in concert with the
>> > > fact
>> that
>> > > it
>> > > basically said he's not a very good athlete. At safety you think,
>> well,
>> > > maybe he's not a great athlete, but at least he's the smart guy
>> > > who
>> will
>> > > line them up the way Mike Brown does...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "mactbone" <mactbone0 at yahoo.com>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Well, I've never met Devin Hester, but from all accounts he's
>> > > > dumb
>> as
>> > a
>> > > > rock. People get reputations. Coaches talk. I don't know why
>> > > > that particular part would bother you more than any other
>> > > > description of talents and lack thereof.
>> > > > -Chris
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message ----
>> > > > From: "azbearfan34 at cox.net" <azbearfan34 at cox.net>
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Based on what?  The wonderlic . .or is that just one writer's
>> > > > expert opininion?  Do they interview teamates, former coaches
>> > > > before they
>> > > publish
>> > > > that drivel??
>> > > >
>> > > > Nat
>> > > > ---- Jim Ferolie <ferolie at charter.net> wrote:
>> > > >> I imagine they weigh each player's gray matter. Why not? They
>> measure
>> > > >> everything else...
>> > > >>
>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >> From: "Nat Mara" <azbearfan34 at cox.net>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > Lacks ideal mental capacity???  What the /???
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
>> > > >> > From: cbff-bounces at chicagobearsfanforum.com
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Kevin Payne
>> > > >> > S | (6'0", 220, 4.6) | LOUISIANA MONROE
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Scouts Grade: 53
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Flags: (S: SPEED) Player lacks ideal speed at position 
>> > > >> > Selected
>> > by:
>> > > >> > Chicago Bears
>> > > >> > Round: 5
>> > > >> > Pick (Overall): 30(167)
>> > > >> > View by: Round | Player | NCAA School | Position | NFL Team |
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>> > |
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>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Strengths: A versatile prospect with experience at running
>> > > >> > back,
>> > wide
>> > > >> > receiver, free and strong safety, as well as punter and
>> > > >> > return specialist on special teams. Possesses adequate height
>> > > >> > and good bulk.
>> > > >> > He is a fluid athlete for his size. Fills hard versus the run
>> > > >> > and
>> > > will
>> > > >> > throw
>> > > >> > his body around. He is tough and aggressive. Shows good
>> > > >> > initial
>> > power
>> > > >> > as a
>> > > >> > hitter. Pursuit angles and recognition skills continue to
>> improve.
>> > He
>> > > >> > has
>> > > >> > a
>> > > >> > great work ethic and is the type that will do everything he
>> > > >> > can
>> to
>> > > >> > contribute in different areas to earn his roster spot.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Weaknesses: Lacks ideal speed. Was able to overcome it at
>> > lower-level
>> > > >> > DI
>> > > >> > college but lack of acceleration will be a much bigger factor
>> > > >> > in
>> > the
>> > > >> > NFL.
>> > > >> > He
>> > > >> > lacks ideal experience at safety and still has much room to
>> improve
>> > > in
>> > > >> > terms
>> > > >> > of footwork and recognition skills. He also needs to do a
>> > > >> > better
>> > job
>> > > of
>> > > >> > breaking down and wrapping up as a tackler in space. Lacks
>> > > >> > ideal
>> > > mental
>> > > >> > capacity and there are some concerns regarding his potential
>> > > >> > to
>> > > handle
>> > > >> > complex schemes and get his teammates lined up as a safety in
>> > > >> > the
>> > > NFL.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Overall: Payne was redshirted in 2002. He then started all 12
>> games
>> > > as
>> > > >> > a
>> > > >> > redshirt freshman in 2003 at running back, carried 248 times
>> > > >> > for
>> > 976
>> > > >> > yards
>> > > >> > (3.9 average) and six touchdowns, caught 41 passes for 488
>> > > >> > yards
>> > > >> > (11.9 average) and three more scores, completed a 35-yard
>> touchdown
>> > > >> > pass,
>> > > >> > was selected to the All-Sun Belt second team, and was named
>> > > >> > the conference's Freshman of the Year. In 2004, he played in
>> > > >> > eight of 11 games
>> with
>> > > >> > seven
>> > > >> > starts before breaking his arm against North Texas which
>> > > >> > ended
>> his
>> > > >> > season.
>> > > >> > For the year, Payne carried 74 times for 261 yards (3.5
>> > > >> > yards)
>> and
>> > > two
>> > > >> > touchdowns, and caught 12 passes for 103 yards (8.6 average)
>> > > >> > and
>> > one
>> > > >> > more
>> > > >> > touchdown. He moved to safety during spring practice in 2005
>> > > >> > and
>> > then
>> > > >> > started all 11 contests in the fall, earning second team
>> > > >> > All-Sun
>> > Belt
>> > > >> > honors, and recorded 87 total tackles, four tackles for loss,
>> > > >> > two interceptions, one fumble recovery, and one forced
>> > > >> > fumble. In
>> 2006,
>> > > >> > Payne
>> > > >> > amassed 98 total tackles, three tackles for loss, one sack,
>> > > >> > four interceptions, three pass breakups, and one forced
>> > > >> > fumble. During
>> > the
>> > > >> > 2005
>> > > >> > and 2006 seasons, he also returned 24 kickoffs for 605 yards
>> > > >> > (
>> 25.2
>> > > >> > average)
>> > > >> > and three punts for nine yards.
>> > > >> > Payne is a versatile athlete with good size and toughness at
>> > > >> > the
>> > > safety
>> > > >> > position. While he made strides as a senior, Payne still is a
>> > > >> > raw safety that must improve his tackling consistency and
>> > > >> > recognition skills
>> > in
>> > > >> > coverage. He also lacks ideal top-end speed, which limits his
>> > range.
>> > > In
>> > > >> > our
>> > > >> > opinion, Payne is an intriguing developmental project worthy
>> > > >> > of consideration in the fourth-to-fifth round range.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
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>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
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