[CBFF] Bye bye, Berrian :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Bears - Sent Using Google Toolbar
Jason Cetina
jason at cetinas.org
Sun Mar 2 08:19:30 MST 2008
Meh. Point of order debate stuff. I'm no Barrack Obama.
Anyway, I just think we could have Moss and Owens and it wouldn't matter
if we couldn't protect the QB or run the ball.
Ryan Dietzenbach wrote:
> Of course, but everyone stunk in that game. Also, now you're changing
> your tune. Before you said "receivers in general and Berrian in
> particular don't tend to be difference makers on the road to a championship."
>
> RD
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Jason Cetina <jason at cetinas.org> wrote:
>
>> And his 4 for 38 in SB XLI were...forgettable.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ryan Dietzenbach wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, he was pretty important. The Bears didn't have a big time
>>> running game so it was necessary to have some sort of passing game to
>>> offset that and keep the defenses honest. He's a true deep threat
>>> that defenses have no choice but to respect. His 5 catches for 105
>>> yards and a TD against the Seahawks were huge, then he follwed it up
>>> with 5 more for 85 and a TD against the Saints.
>>>
>>> Do we win those games with Rashied Davis as our #2 WR? I doubt
>>> it--especially not the first game.
>>>
>>> How are the Bears going to plug this hole? I'll be interested to find out.
>>>
>>> RD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Jason Cetina <jason at cetinas.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> OK, put another way, do you think the Bears would have lost those games
>>>> w/out Berrian? Is his presence that important? Rashied Davis made a
>>>> pretty damn clutch catch against the Seahawks in the divisional round of
>>>> those games. We might have lost the Seahawks game if not for him (and
>>>> Grossman's perfect throw to him). Should we break the bank for him, too?
>>>>
>>>> Berrian had great stats for those games for sure, and he'll be missed.
>>>> But in the long run, the team needs to focus on re-tooling the ground
>>>> game first. They won't be able to do jack s**t on offense until they do.
>>>> -
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Dietzenbach wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Berrian wasn't a difference maker for the Bears the past two seasons?
>>>>> He wasn't a difference maker on the road to the NFC title in 2006? I
>>>>> would strongly disagree with that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think he was an absolute superstar but he was the best we had
>>>>> and other than Moss he's the best on the market right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless something drastic happens this made us a worse team.
>>>>>
>>>>> RD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Jason Cetina <jason at cetinas.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not saying we won't miss him, just that the money is better spent
>>>>>> elsewhere long term. Beyond that, receivers in general and Berrian in
>>>>>> particular don't tend to be difference makers on the road to a
>>>>>> championship. The money is better spent in the trenches than at the edges.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan Dietzenbach wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll remember these posts if and when we are bemoaning the lack of
>>>>>>> quality WR play during the upcoming season. As it stands right now,
>>>>>>> our WR corps are pathetic and the options literally are dwindling by
>>>>>>> the minute.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Jason Cetina <jason at cetinas.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's stupid money. Beyond that, I'm not sure any receiver ever really
>>>>>>>> puts a team over the top and into the Super Bowl. The free agents that
>>>>>>>> always seem to make a difference are the defensive ones (Reggie White,
>>>>>>>> Deion Sanders, various Patriots players). The only reason this reeks at
>>>>>>>> all was because of the missed opportunity to franchise him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm thinking that even though Angelo won't call it such, we're in year 1
>>>>>>>> of a 3 year rebuilding project. If that's the case, he was right to let
>>>>>>>> Berrian go so he can focus on younger more important talent (Briggs,
>>>>>>>> Harris), and to start rebuilding the o-line through the draft. I think
>>>>>>>> the defense has 3-5 years left in the tank if Harris stays and we
>>>>>>>> solidify the safeties. The nucleus of this team is no longer Urlacher
>>>>>>>> and Mike Brown, though. It's Tommie Harris, Briggs, Tillman, Vasher,
>>>>>>>> Ogunleye, and A. Brown.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the record, Berrian probably will do really well this year because
>>>>>>>> the Vikings can easily sell play action. If their running game collapses
>>>>>>>> though, he won't do much.
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tom Shannon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bye bye, Berrian :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Bears
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bears receiver Berrian to sign with Vikings
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> March 1, 2008
>>>>>>>>> BY BRAD BIGGS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Bears have lost wide receiver Bernard Berrian.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Minnesota was determined not to let Berrian leave for a visit to the
>>>>>>>>> Oakland Raiders, and after the Vikings lost out on defensive end
>>>>>>>>> Justin Smith Saturday morning when he agreed to a deal in San
>>>>>>>>> Francisco, there were more resources to pour into a wide receiver to
>>>>>>>>> bolster the offense. Terms of the deal have not yet been confirmed,
>>>>>>>>> but once source said the Bears never moved off their offer of $25
>>>>>>>>> million over five years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> » Click to enlarge image
>>>>>>>>> The NFL's shopping bonanza kicked off with wide receiver Bernard
>>>>>>>>> Berrian being one of the hottest commodities.
>>>>>>>>> (Tom Cruze/Sun-Times)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> RELATED STORIES Blog: Inside the Bears Updated 9:30: Gilmore
>>>>>>>>> officially signs with Bucs Bears hold out hope
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Berrian's departure leaves the Bears' receiving corps in a hole.
>>>>>>>>> Muhsin Muhammad was previously released so the team must come up with
>>>>>>>>> two starters now. Mark Bradley, Devin Hester, Mike Hass and Brandon
>>>>>>>>> Rideau are the only receivers under contract. Rashied Davis has been
>>>>>>>>> tendered an offer at the low level of $927,000 as a restricted free
>>>>>>>>> agent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ``We don't have any choice but to make it,'' wide receivers coach
>>>>>>>>> Darryl Drake said. ``You have to move on and work on getting better.
>>>>>>>>> It'll be tough without him.''
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Berrian led the Bears with 71 receptions for 951 yards and five
>>>>>>>>> touchdowns last season. The Bears had offered him a $25 million,
>>>>>>>>> five-year contract with $8 million to sign. They remained in
>>>>>>>>> discussions with agent Drew Rosenhaus during Berrian's visit to
>>>>>>>>> Minnesota, but couldn't lure him back.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is how big of a hole the Bears have on offense now-Berrian and
>>>>>>>>> Muhammad combined for 111 catches, 1,521 yards and eight touchdowns
>>>>>>>>> last season. The rest of the wide receivers on the roster had 43
>>>>>>>>> catches for 535 yards and three touchdowns. Bradley, the former
>>>>>>>>> second-round draft pick player coaches and management alike have been
>>>>>>>>> talking up so much, had only six receptions and barely saw the field.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The departure of Berrian signals the Bears will likely increase
>>>>>>>>> efforts to re-sign three-time Pro Bowl linebacker Lance Briggs.
>>>>>>>>> However, the market has been eerily quiet for him thus far and it
>>>>>>>>> might be a situation right now where there is no one for the team to
>>>>>>>>> bid against. The Bears have a big-money deal on the table for him.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As for the needs at receiver, the Bears will likely contact agent
>>>>>>>>> Joel Segal about finalizing a visit with Bryant Johnson, provided he
>>>>>>>>> does not sign with the Buffalo Bills, where he is headed this weekend.
>>>>>>>>> Javon Walker and D.J. Hackett are also part of Plan B. The Bears may
>>>>>>>>> need to move quickly as NFL Network reports Donte Stallworth has
>>>>>>>>> agreed to terms with Cleveland.
>>>>>>>>>
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